Guild of Maintainers Forum

It is currently 29 Mar 2017, 05:44 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 2 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Neolbah D'ni inscription
PostPosted: 26 Apr 2013, 01:54 pm 
Offline
Guild Member
User avatar
Send private message  Profile

Joined: 18 Feb 2008, 01:46 pm
Posts: 131
KI Number: 54271
Alternate Avie: MOUL KI was 10695353
This continues the discussion of the Neolbah inscription Dot provided in another thread:
http://www.guildofmaintainers.org/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1918&p=16392#p16392

Although the DLF is scattered, there is some need for its work. Since I was part of that, and am still with GoMa I will here troubleshoot a linguistic matter in the manner of the Federation, inasmuch as it came up in our forum.

The inscription in the photo Dot provided is nicely executed and visually stunning, and if the translation given could be relied upon it is a beautiful thought as well. But there is a problem with the inscription and/or its transcription.

My initial reading of the expression Dot gave was based on what I was led to believe was her transcription of the Neolbah inscription. However, after I enhanced the photo she so graciously provided, to bring up the clarity of the lettering, it became clear that the second word has not been transcribed correctly. [I have posted my enhanced image to photobucket, but cannot get it to link here.]

The second word begins with the letter kh, which is a slightly different character than the letter k. The latter includes a supralineal dash to the left of the main upright in the figure of the character, and this is clearly missing in the inscription. The letter kh is as distinct from k in the D'ni alphabet as the letters cheth and kaph are distinct in the Hebrew alphabet, (not entirely coincidentally both pairs of letters have parallel phonetic values; kh~cheth, k~kaph). In the dictionary of D'ni, the letter k is associated with the word kehnehn = kenen from kehn = the verb of being. However, the only entry for kh followed by eh is kheh ~ khe = for (as a marker for purpose). There are no other attested word forms that begin kheh-. [Brief note: in the letter "eh" the h is optional in transcription, since it merely marks the short quality of the vowel.]

That means that the second word in the inscription either presents a previously unknown word form, or the engraver omitted a part of an intended k. The fact that Rehn gave a translation at all, suggests that he preferred an emendation to the text, in favor of the assumption of a scribal error. Of itself that would not call the origin of the inscription among the early D'ni into question, but coupled with the odd handling of the participle with a possessive suffix, it is further evidence that the inscription originated from a source that was somewhat removed from the D'ni of the cavern.

In short, this inscription does not appear as early D'ni, and should not be confused with that. What it is we cannot yet say, but as an example of "Cavern D'ni" it should be held suspect until more similar findings appear. As I suggested earlier, this may be pointing to a derivative civilization that used a form of D'ni.


Top
 
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2013, 06:25 am 
Offline
Send private message  Profile

Joined: 12 Nov 2007, 02:59 am
Posts: 1796
KI Number: 0
Thank you for the detailed notes, Stejovis.

Of course, we can only speculate as to the cause of the discrepancy. One might be that the individual making the inscription simply made an error -- much as a gravestone maker, for example, might on occasion from being too close to their work.

Another might be that there are various forms of the D'ni language, just as there are different dialects of English, say.

Perhaps looking at the location of Neolbah as it seems to be positioned within the Cavern might yield food for thought. And the decor itself -- it is not as ornate as many places, for example. What might that suggest?

_________________
Devokan forum: Myst/Uru inspired projects and stories
OpenUru.org: tools and resources for open source Uru


Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 2 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group  
Myst and Uru are © of Cyan Worlds Inc. All rights reserved.
Images from Myst Online: Uru Live are used by permission of Cyan Worlds.